same thing with biden and sarah palin. you know. it was tricky for joe biden. it will be tricky for him this time too because he's up against a young popular guy paul ryan. but my take about these debates they both come in so prepared that i think they're both going to do well, you know. the debate is unlikely to change the course of the campaign. one final question on this early voting where i started. it does change the nature of campaigns. it used to be that you know, you were afraid about the october surprise right? or you were afraid -- the last two weeks of the campaign where most people make up their mind. that's not so much anymore. so they have to get their message out like before october. >> it is incredible. look at this, the latest ad that the obama campaign is running. their two-minute closing ad back in 2008, you probably wouldn't have seen that until the middle or end of october. and here we are 40 days out and they're already making that closing argument. it is definitely -- it is a change and you can see it in the stump speeches, too of the can